Most things Nick knows about crime is wrong too…


Nick ‘Crimewatch’ Ross has written a widely applauded article for the Sunday Hate called ‘Everything I knew about crime is wrong’ or something or whatever…he makes some good points but…nothing Gadget et al (and yours truly) haven’t been saying for years…

Here are the five myths and the real answers from someone that has worked in the field for 23-years as a uniformed officer and a detective.

Myth One: ‘Crime is caused by a broken society’

Nope… it’s caused by lazy knobs that just don’t want to work…they are the swamp dwellers…the benefit class…they don’t do all of it-but they certainly have the lion’s share…

Myth Two: ‘British justice is the best in the world’

err…it is… it’s fair to the point of being not-fair, but it’s the best. The problem we have is that we don’t listen to those that know and we are resistant to change/technology…
Nick makes the mistake of thinking CPS are the bastions of justice…they aren’t…
Overall…it’s the best. He is confusing the odd hiccup and the way we sentence with justice…very different things.

Myth Three: ‘Poverty is the main cause of crime’

No it isn’t… stupid, lazy, risk taking, immoral thinking based on a no consequence kind of upbringing is… that and the knowledge nothing much will happen to you should you be caught… if you have a deterrent that is bad enough-people think twice…you can’t stop it all (they have theft in Saudi-and they chop your hands off) but you can reduce the bulk by giving an alternative and making punishments for crime nasty…

Myth Four: ‘A ‘wicked’ minority is behind crime

Wrong…they are. I might have agreed with ‘behind ALL crime’ but the fact is, if we jailed ALL of the persistent acquisitive crime  offenders, crime rates would dive to very low levels… but we don’t….we keep bailing, giving short sentences and silly community orders instead of porridge for 10-years…and making sure they stay in for 10-years too…

Myth Five: ‘There is more crime than ever before’

Nahh… it’s lower… sort of… well…I guess if we could workout how many actual crimes there are purely on a numbers basis I suspect there would be a few spikes but overall it would be quite low. Human beings are still human beings…

We have less car crime now thanks to better security, but higher amounts of shop theft-because they have moved to that…
Nick thinks that it’s opportunity that is the driving force behind crime- true…it’s an important factor…but the real way to deal with crime is to accept it will happen no matter what you do…
…then punish people severely when they do it.
I mean, imagine you are a persistent offender… You get caught shop-lifting…it’s your 50th/60th/70th conviction for theft. You attend court and say you’re a druggie, broken -fractured background, broken family, new kid to support, turning life around etc etc etc… and you walk with ANOTHER drug treatment order and a community sentence /tag that you won’t obey and probation can’t be arsed to enforce…
Where is your motivation to STOP offending?
But…this time the judge says, “OK mate…this is your 71st conviction. Clearly you see society as a resource to be exploited…so, society must be protected from you… you were told last time you appeared what would happen should you appear again-you decided to ignore that warning so, you are sentenced to 10-years in prison. This is a full tariff sentence too, so you will be released on May the 18th, 2023.”
Word would soon get around…we wouldn’t stop all offenders…but we would certainly get rid of them one way or another eh?
So…that’s Nick’s book in a nutshell and you didn’t need to pay £18 to read it…now that IS ROBBERY!!!!
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50 responses to “Most things Nick knows about crime is wrong too…

  1. shaftedbluepleb

    Spot on, Shij. And I think I might be first for once, too.

  2. Couldn’t agree more. It winds me up when poverty is blamed as one of the major causes of crime. That may have been the case many decades ago where people would steal food to survive but that is not the case these days. These days we have a very generous benefits system which supplies people with enough to survive on. The problem comes from lazy, greedy people who want more and instead of working hard to better themselves they instead turn to crime. Those who also decide to spend all their money on drugs/alcohol so steal to fund their habits.
    My parents never came from wealthy backgrounds and may have been classed as “poor” but they worked hard all their lives to provide a future.

  3. Im always amazed how when a prisoner lands in custody,having been arrested for shoplifting/theft from m/vehicle, it always seems to be just as they were on their way to see their dying mother/child/pregnant baby mother or enroute to A&E/doctor for treatment for their DVT/PSychosis/depression/heart condition/Brain tumour.
    If I was them, i would’nt leave the house unless accompanyed by an ambulance and macmillan nurse 🙂

    Lying is a way of life for these muppets,they’d give any politician a run for thier money.

    It’s like a breath of fresh air when a real member of the public stumbles in,looking like a rabbit caught in the headlights,as opposed to a frequent flyer,who wants HIS solicitor NOW, wants to see the DOCTOR now and wants something to eat and a tea with 3 sugars in it, NOW.

    Unsurprisingly,makes the bail decision,just that much easier

  4. Brief Encounter

    I am surprised that you appear to condone a fettering of discretion based on retaliation. For a repeat offender, likelihood of committing further offences will probably suffice but you really ought not to let such petty things as being a bit difficult or very likely having the same range of social issues that others have to cloud your judgement.

    • being a bit difficult, would be declining to sign for rights, walking slowly, banging on cell door, shouting at their co-accused, asking ‘whats happening’ every 5 minutes, telling me they’ve been here for HOURS and it’s not right and that they’re going to sue the arse off me when they get out or kill my kids and hoping my wife gets cancer………………

      NOT
      faking heart attack
      faking overdose
      shitting on floor
      covering cell in piss
      wrapping clothing around neck
      spitting at staff
      throwing food around cell
      generally going out of their way to be a C#NT

      If it clouded my judgement…….. I’d be up on charges of manslaughter every weekend.

      🙂

    • Having social issues
      is NOT an excuse to abuse those who have to work for society to keep functioning.

      I don’t goto doctors and threaten them
      I don’t goto A&E and abuse staff/hit nurses
      I don’t fight with cops or throw stones at ambulance /fireservice
      I wouldn’t go into custody, spit at staff, redecorate the cell with excrement/food fake killing myself and generally live up to the shameless low expectation that your average daily mail reader has of the social underclass.

      It’s always everybody elses fault but their own.
      So ,yes, every now and again ,it’s nice to see bail being refused because the prisoner was a ****.

      • Brief Encounter

        They would never have used you as a fuse, you go off too quickly. You either didn’t read what I wrote or you didn’t understand it? Likelihood of committing further offences is a sort of catch all it is also the most difficult to meet in terms of bail conditions. But what I meant was that we all have the sort of problems which Wavey referred to in his post above. Not all at the same time and not all of them. What I mean is that if you harden your heart to a person who says that they need to get out of the nick because of such a reason then you have fettered your discretion. Being difficult etc is not a reason in itself to refuse someone bail, even if it does make you feel good.

    • I’m not a social worker.

  5. BE’s right, we’ve become the paramilitary wing of the Social Services. Social workers with steel toe-capped boots.

  6. Intelligent Policing, by Simon Guilfoyle. Not an easy read, and its £20, but worth every penny and every bit of effort to understand what he’s saying. He’s giving the science behind why we are in the clip we’re in today, thanks to years of managers not understanding why what they do is doomed to failure – not just haphazard failure, but systematic, inevitable, abject failure.
    I sort of always knew most of this, instinctively as i think many of us do – but he has the science to back it up and expresses it very well. It’ll dent a few egos, if the right people read it. (As if!)

  7. AS we all know change in Police procedure ( as implemented by SMT/mismanagement) is the only change in corporate history that is never wrong/never not fit for purpose and never ever worse than what went before…..
    No one is ever demoted or moved to a lesser post for implementing change that the practitioners have repeatedly said is rubbish and no one above the rank of inspector will ever break rank and say that the ‘change’ is not needed/worse than before.
    When SMT stop getting promoted for implementing change and realise that it is THEM that are adverse to change, we might move forward.

    There is never a Plan to get back to where we were before the change, which is why we see so much of it.
    Unlike the private sector we cant make up the rules/move the goalposts,do inside trading or just give up and sell out.

    Policing isn’t a business, it isn’t a service, it’s rules,regs.common sense,discretion, no fear, no favouritism and force when necessary.
    Everything else should be secondary and not our core responsibility and THAT is what Chiefs/SMT/FED and now Pcc’s should be telling the public.

    instead we bully,badger, and lie to each other ,run around likebluearseflies applying elastoplasts to arterial bleeds whilst ‘learning lessons’ for shitthathappened years ago and try to keep the wheel on.
    Still all worth it for the decent salry and gold plated pension………oh wait.

  8. AS we all know change in Police procedure ( as implemented by SMT/mismanagement) is the only change in corporate history that is never wrong/never not fit for purpose and never ever worse than what went before…..
    No one is ever demoted or moved to a lesser post for implementing change that the practitioners have repeatedly said is rubbish and no one above the rank of inspector will ever break rank and say that the ‘change’ is not needed/worse than before.
    When SMT stop getting promoted for implementing change and realise that it is THEM that are adverse to change, we might move forward.

    There is never a Plan to get back to where we were before the change, which is why we see so much of it.
    Unlike the private sector we cant make up the rules/move the goalposts,do inside trading or just give up and sell out.

    Policing isn’t a business, it isn’t a service, it’s rules,regs.common sense,discretion, no fear, no favouritism and force when necessary.
    Everything else should be secondary and not our core responsibility and THAT is what Chiefs/SMT/FED and now Pcc’s should be telling the public.

    instead we bully,badger, and lie to each other ,run around likebluear#eflies applying elastoplasts to arterial bleeds whilst ‘learning lessons’ for shi#tathappened years ago and try to keep the wheel on.
    Still all worth it for the decent salry and gold plated pension………oh wait.

  9. Brief Encounter

    Its true.
    In the private sector things are very very different and not necessarily better but just one thing matters and that is making money. Its the only thing that speaks.

  10. scarletpimple

    I am left with little comment to make, you four have said it all. Now all we need is for someone in a position of authority and influence to absorb the wisdom and return us to a a workable and acceptable level of operation.
    But alas, we all know this can never be. There are too many egotistical, self promoting, self serving individuals in power, driven by ambition and the urge to rule. They know better than you and I and they have the money and position to force their views on the rest.
    The terrible thing is that most of them also believe that they are correct and know best.
    The few among them who know the truth, are cynical and play the game bending the rules where necessary to suit themselves.
    Like that first copper said in 1829, ‘ The job’s fucked’ .
    SP.
    Oh! and welcome back Cor.
    SP.

  11. scarletpimple

    Note for BE.
    Re your stretch of coast……. ‘Where there be Bass there be Mackerel too’
    Put away the cement, the trowel and paving stones, the briefs and case law, and go drown a few worms…………..You know it make sense.
    SP.

    • Brief Encounter

      Yes you are right and I plan to do just that, cementing nearly finished, got the capilliary bed in the green house plumbed in last weekend. Couple of years ago I purchased from New Zealand a fishing kite. That together with the circular hand trown net which I bought in Kerala will get an airing this year. Was in a conversation with Lord Ashdown a little while ago he had never heard of a fihing kite nor had he been launched into the sea on that chute thing which they had (maybe still have on the end of calshot Pier) How can you have been Special Boat Service without knowing about such things?

  12. http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/44225

    Shijuro, can I publicise this petition re plans to massively increase MPs pay? Even bobbies I know who couldn’t be arsed with the pension fight are getting up in arms on this one!

    • Only 30 %, yep all in it together.

      Just what is it they do all day with their time, other than exchange insults at PMQT and claim expenses or get pissed in subsidised bars?

      Still with the looney Right leading us out of Europe for the benefit of a few, I guess we should be thankful that they haven’t managed to get us into another war YET.

      signed.

      • They also sit on the boards of companies which happen to be interested in government contracts.

        If crime was just all about poverty, we wouldn’t have some MP’s fiddling their expenses or some very rich people engaging in illegal business practises, the most obvious being Bernie Madoff.

      • I like how MPs are coming out with the “If you pay peanuts you get monkeys” line to support a pay increase.

        So what about reducing starting pay for a PC to £19k and cutting pay and conditions, then?

        What are they calling us?

        Shameless doesn’t even start to describe it.

        • I would hardly call £50K + free second home + expenses for everything + second jobs as pundits or on boards of companies = PEANUTS.

          But what would I know, being just a clocking on/clocking off , non Oxbridge educated, working class pleb.

          bunch of twunts

    • shaftedbluepleb

      The number of signatures on this has doubled overnight.

  13. scarletpimple

    http://tiny.cc/x65gxw
    As things are quiet at the moment, how about a little Dudley Moore Trio at the Holywood Bowl .
    SP

  14. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22624096

    so there’s still the odd journalist @ the BBC.
    Shame they still can’t quite join up the dots………….

  15. Brief Encounter

    Come on guys keep it going, cant we get the comments up to a 100?

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