Telegraph journo get degree in bleeding obvious…

The number of suspects arrested by police fell more than twice as fast as the decline in crime rates last year, official figures have disclosed.Arrests in England and Wales dropped 9 per cent to about 1.2 million in 2011/12 compared with about 1.4 million the previous year, in comparison with overall crime figures which fell by just 4 per cent.The Opposition said it raised concerns that criminals are “getting away with it”, particularly sex offenders where the number of arrests was down 3,000 year-on-year.

David Hanson, shadow police minister, said: “Today’s figures clearly show that the government’s plan to cut 15,000 police officers by the next election is damaging the police’s ability to catch criminals….

No you think?

Damien  Thorne, (the anti-Christ) said “By scrapping central targets, cutting paperwork and giving officers more discretion we have saved 4.5million hours, which means more officers out on the streets rather than behind desks.”

Well, Damo…I hate to rain on your parade..but you are full of it…we are swamped with more and more paperwork not less…it takes longer than ever to process a prisoner…

I hate to bring this up but under the new guidelines, you know, the ones you brought in…we must now seek alternatives to arrest…and we will face the music if we arrest when there are other ways to deal…interview etc…

So…add that to the 15000 drop in numbers…is it any wonder arrests are down… Job dine eh damo?

Cheaper cops and another stick to hit us with…


19 responses to “Telegraph journo get degree in bleeding obvious…

  1. When I said we’ve been decimated, I WAS being positive.
    Sitting somebody in an office with an officer awaiting a lawyer, instead of putting them in a cell to wait, is not saving anyone’s time or money.

  2. 10 miserable years to go

    Hmm, sounds a bit like the mp expenses scandal…..get caught with your snout in the trough and just pay it back.

  3. The battle to meet the necessity threshold, made to feel like you’re in the dock when you bring a prisoner in and then the mind numbing process that is CPS Direct… no bloody wonder arresting people is a major pain in the arse. How can that be right???!

    • Necessities, is how it used to be, when we got the evidence, before we arrested the scroat. It isn’t rocket science to get one of them to fit.
      If you can’t then is the arrest really necessary?

      No one wants to deal with jobs, just make arrests and pass them on.
      Skills lost

      • ^^^This^^^
        Many years ago I was taught by Sgts Bell and Turner, that arrest, and the removal of liberty was a serious step, and to be used virtually as a last resort.
        I am not a ‘Difficult’ Custody Skipper.
        Get your ‘Necessity’ Ducks in a row before you arrest, not in the Custody Suite. If you tell me that you need to protect others from harm, do S18 Search, Obtain samples, or that it may be necessary to impose bail conditions, in fact anything that you are unable to do without confining the suspect… Job done. In my block detainee numbers are only slightly down on this time last year.
        I listen and will help. But I am surprised …(Well no,…. not really)…. that there has been scant training in what is seen by the upperarchy who rarely apply police powers, as an awesome, frightening sea change in policing, it really isn’t, but what it does do is ask you to think about what why and how, and not act like an automaton.

  4. Haven’t got a problem with necessities, if someone needs to be arrested then one will fit and so long as you aren’t dumping them in custody and running away-you haven’t got a problem.
    There are still crap wanted circulations and pisspoor ‘arrest packs’ for suspects who there is no evidence against,other than being named by a pcso who picked them out from a blurry cctv still.— This is what eats out time and resources. Couple this with SMT who are’nt interested in securing evidence,just arrests and we end up binning jobs/nfa’s etc.
    The icing on the cake is crap primary investigation by officers run ragged or disinterested specialist squads (firearms/horses etc-who just want arrest ticks) and then handed to overworked or ill experienced staff to sort the crap out.
    It’s like a breath of fresh air, when an officer turns up with a prisoner, having reported a crime,investigated it, taken all statements and having identified and arrested a suspect is now going to interview them and deal with the whole matter themselves.
    The usual scenario entails a tasking by management, an arrest by X, transport to station by Y, circumstances related after a delay by Z and eventually interviewed by disinterested person who looks for easiest disposal option as job will inevitably be a ballofshit that should have been sorted/disposed of at source by whoever took the report or will involve a complex investigation strategy that this officer with 3 years service and no support and other prisoners/cases to deal with isn’t up to.

  5. Brief Encounter

    SP and I and most of you guys I guess grew up in the ‘arresting’ mindset. In many cases it will remain the correct course. If you have someone coming in by appt it really is bad manners I think to then arrest them. In the past we have acquiesced by saying nothing but really we should be challenging the necessity when our client is going to be interviewed and bailed even if charged.

    • Don’t like ‘voluntary’ attenders being arrested, never have, always thought that it is a little underhand. Still happens though, even when suspect attends with their solicitor. Unless necessity conditions can be satisfied, I then tend to shunt towards ‘voluntary’ interview. The only solicitors that tend to challenge are those for ‘unfortunate’ colleagues….

    • B.E. I still don’t have an issue with visitors to copshop being nicked upon arrival. As Doorbundle said their may be a necessity to impose bail conditions (protect vulnerable) or 18 search etc…….. The panic., lack of knowledge and training among all ranks re this is shocking.
      SMT etc still haven’t grasped concept that ‘lock em up’ won’t cut it anymore and neither will crap primary investigation, crap arrest packs, crap handovers/statements and lack of investigatory skill.
      It winds me up , no end when a straight forward prisoner takes longer to handover than it would for the arresting officer to deal with it themselves.
      The crap I get for nfa’ing jobs is depressing, I’m made to feel like it’s my fault that the primary investigation was rubbish, the statements poor and enquires non existent. They expect bail to be the norm, when in reality it should be the exception. The concept of arrest on new evidence eludes them.
      The job is foooked it is like watching a corpse rotting before my eyes each shift, equally disgusting and morbidly curious.

      • Brief Encounter

        I agree entirely and it saddens me that it has come to this. A 30 yr veteran, I can’t turn my back on the job and I don’t have to it is slipping away in front of my eyes.

      • Very much this Wavey. Could not have put it better or agree more. And would arresting officers please read the bloody front sheet on the arrest pack before they get to the desk, otherwise it’s just plain embarrassing.
        Know what makes up a lawful arrest before you swan off to get your tick in the box for the day.

        • That would imply taking ownership/interest.
          ‘im just the arresting/escorting/’ officer ……’erm,prompt and effective, but I don’t know who’s dealing’ ‘my sgt/inspector/supt told me to arrest him’
          yep the job swan dived into the toilet and between the bumbling FED,bullying leadership,a gov’t who hate us and a HMIC/acpoo complicit in our privatisation and making us accountable to everyone and for everything we are truly bottom feeding.

  6. Shij, you’re either a little off mark with your understanding of PACE or, like the Daily Mail you’re being deliberately sensationalist. An arrest was always considered by legislators to be a last resort once all other reasonable options had been discounted. The necessity criteria don’t make an arrest any harder to justify, they give you some easy pointers as to why the arrest is justified, as others have posted above. If you can’t make the criteria fit you are either an in unimaginative chap or your arrest actually is completely unnecessary.
    Like Doorbundle I’m happy to give officers pointers with what criteria they need consider, but if they bring me a pile of crap job with “prompt and effective and err….?” Then I will not be quite as helpful.
    Simple stuff, know your powers and know the limitations of your powers.

    • I think you may find that arrests have akways been optional…sure…you can report for most offences except serious reestablish… mind you not arresting for any offence that is considered serious or political is err…”discouraged”.

      My point was that new guidelines mean that we must go much further than we used to…this is a cynical ploy by HM gov to reduce the amount of people put in front of a court via a custody block…because they have been reduced in number by around 2/3rds… It’s got nothing to do with anything else…

      • Nonsense. The arrest is an investigative tool and has nothing whatsoever to do with the disposal, and it is that which determines who is put before a court or offered an alternative disposal. The two are not related apart from the fact that the more serious the offence the more likely a power of arrest will be used and (evidence permitting) the suspect will end up at court.
        As for it being a cynical ploy, I don’t know. It strikes me as a perfectly obvious and utterly plain and simple attempt o save money by reducing court appearances. Whether the government dressing this up as community disposals and giving the police back the power to use problem solving tools to reduce crime makes it cynical or not depends on your perspective I suppose.

  7. Brief Encounter


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